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Vetterdog
Mon Apr 10 2017, 02:43PM

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My son now has his license and we're looking into getting him into his 1970 Westy. It needs a little body work and paint, but my major concern is that the brakes are terrible. (all drum) They seem to work as they should, and we have replaced the shoes, lines and wheel cylinders, but the stopping power is really not good. (The drums were within spec IIRC)I have been told that this setup is among the least effective. So, I started looking into a disc brake conversion, but it doesn't seem to exist in a kit. Other that replacing the whole front beam, does anyone know if this is something that can be done?
Thanks, Dave
PS, I am NOT a millionaire! The price tag would have to be reasonable.

[ Edited Mon Apr 10 2017, 02:45PM ]

They was louder at the Rainbow. Could be. Oooowie.
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Spindles, disks, calipers from a doner later model will bolt right up to your arms. My '68 has all '71 components front and rear. No booster or prop valve (I have them but that's a "someday" project.) Braking kinda sucks, gotta really lean on it. My buddy's '68 stock westy's brakes are better (all drum). You can weld in a plate for the booster (cheap), find/procure a booster (expensive), rebuild said booster(expensive), find/procure a prop valve and >'71 metal brake line kit (not terrible), then retrofit he whole deal. You can use rear assemblies from a vanagon (wider shoes, think it uses the same cylinder, auto adjustment) if you want to do it all up. There is something weird about the ebrake cables but I don't remember right off.


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If drums are in working order, they work great.

My 65 stops on a dime, much faster than either of my disc brake bays.

My buddy installed discs on his splitty. I think they are called baby stangs. Work great- very expensive and as a side note can not be adjusted with metric tools AMHIK
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Agree with snoops on that one.

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1968 Sportsmobile Delux Motorcaravan, dba 'Squeaky,'

1954 Dodge Job Rated, dba 'Grave Digger'

1996 Ford Ranger Splash, dba 'Mutts Nutts'.

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"If we do not hang together we will most assuredly hang separately." ~ Benjamin Franklin

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Not sure if this will help you, but 250 doesn't seem too bad.

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/pts/6084801414.html

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Pretty vague and doesn't mention year. Assuming the Trans and beam came from the same bus, could be '71-'72 or '73+. Calipers aren't easy to find and the rebuilds and kits are a joke. Had 2 sets of '71 calipers done by the depot, expensive, took forever, and 2 of the 4 failed (one per bus). It can be done properly and will work well ('71 boosted brakes are awesome) but it's the classic fast/well/cheap analogy.

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1968 Sportsmobile Delux Motorcaravan, dba 'Squeaky,'

1954 Dodge Job Rated, dba 'Grave Digger'

1996 Ford Ranger Splash, dba 'Mutts Nutts'.

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persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot." ~ Mark Twain

"If we do not hang together we will most assuredly hang separately." ~ Benjamin Franklin

"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story." ~ Orson Welles

"In order to attain the impossible, one must attempt the absurd." ~ Miguel de Cervantes
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Thanks for the input. I think my first order of business is to re-check the drums to see if they are worn. Compared to my 79 with front discs, the 70 has very little stopping power.

They was louder at the Rainbow. Could be. Oooowie.
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Sounds like an adjustment or shoe issue. Drums are much cheaper and more easily serviced than discs. Plus you can run 15" wide 5s. Way more tire options. 2 cylinders each front drum, good system.

Discs work very well but there is notable fab work when doing this modification properly.

Tookiedoo, South Carolina

1968 Sportsmobile Delux Motorcaravan, dba 'Squeaky,'

1954 Dodge Job Rated, dba 'Grave Digger'

1996 Ford Ranger Splash, dba 'Mutts Nutts'.

"Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative's will be prosecuted;
persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished;
persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot." ~ Mark Twain

"If we do not hang together we will most assuredly hang separately." ~ Benjamin Franklin

"If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story." ~ Orson Welles

"In order to attain the impossible, one must attempt the absurd." ~ Miguel de Cervantes
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Wed Apr 19 2017, 09:29PM

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Vetterdog wrote ...
My son now has his license and we're looking into getting him into his 1970 Westy. It needs a little body work and paint, but my major concern is that the brakes are terrible. (all drum) They seem to work as they should, and we have replaced the shoes, lines and wheel cylinders, but the stopping power is really not good.

The drum brakes need to be adjusted fairly often. You don't mention that you did them, so I'm going to assume you haven't. It's an easy job but it takes some time.

The average non VW mechanic isn't going to understand bc every American car since probably the 50s had self adjusting drums. They think they can just put them on loose and the self adjusters will fix it once they back up once or twice in the alley behind the garage.

If this doesn't apply to you, then I will still post this for others who may need it. http://www.type2.com/library/brakes/brakeadjust.html

One other thing, you mention "lines". Do you mean the rubber brake hoses? If you haven't replaced those, you probably should. They fail on the inside, the rubber swells closed, even when they look good on the outside.

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